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Poster: billydlions Date: Mar 14, 2010 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Dire & Rich,

there is 1 1985 show that stands out from the crowd. (ok Dire, the first song is not very good, so skip to Bertha and the rest of the show is good to go):


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-27.mtx.seamons.92645.sbeok.flac16

p.s. This is the matrix source, for Cliff of course.

This post was modified by billydlions on 2010-03-15 03:09:48

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 5:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Billydillions, were you at that Saratoga show?

I'm curious, what is it about that performance that makes it "stand out from the crowd?"

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Poster: billydlions Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Cliff,

I did not attend 6-27-85, but did see the show at the SPAC in 1988. I also do not like 1985, save for a few shows. I do think 6-27-85 is a different kind of show. For one thing, songs that are usually throw away songs are played very well, such as Rooster (great slide solo from Jerry), El Paso (great soloing from Jerry), Bucket- one of the better versions and even Dont Ease is played very well, perhaps my personal favorite version of a usually worthless song.

What elevates this show for me is my favorite version of Stagger Lee (love how the song starts with Phil ranting and love how Jerry screams out the lyrics at the end). This is perhaps my favorite version of Crazy Fingers followed by the great Supplication jam. But the shows biggest highlight is how the boys meld together Stranger in to Eyes in to GDTRFB. The segs are perfect, almost like they have played those songs together forever, yet I cant think of any other time any of the songs were played together. Jerry's soloing and improv shows no effects from his bad habits and his singing is not too bad. The show really sound nothing like 1985, so perhaps that I why I like it so much.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

well, i have yet to listen to that after commenting last night. but now you have me REALLY interested. (though i am cringing at the thought of how bad jerry's voice is gonna sound)

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Poster: billydlions Date: Mar 15, 2010 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Just dont listen to High Time (but other than the early versions did Jerry ever sound good on this one?)

This show is so much better than the Hershey show. Jerry sounded so much better here.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

i actually do like a little gravel in his voice in that tune - though in 85 the gravel was more like gargled pumice

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 15, 2010 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

i was there...and so far back on the hill, not even a glimpse of the stage....not one.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I was there as well, though towards the back of the orchestra. The SPAC was a charming and fun place to see a show, but that does not make the music performed there any better...

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

There as well. Had all of my painstakingly hand painted t-shirts confiscated due to dancing bear infringement, but that turned out to be a turning point for me. After Hershey Pary my good touring buddies set up their tie dye operation in the hotel in Columbia and taught me their considerable expertise. They fronted me 50 shirts and materials, and when they had put their work and themselves to bed I produced my first batch. Sold them all by the end of the second Merriweather show. The start of a long and colorful career . . . much easier than that hand painting business.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Harry?

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

'85 was a rockin' year for the GD. I saw a lot of shows including Hershey Park, which stands out for a # of reasons:
1. Back to back with SPAC.
2. Driving Rain and Cold.(Lightweights stayed away)
3. Great Venue/Small Crowd
4. Mud
5. 'shrooms.
6. Great tavern right across from P lot.
7. The band was on from the first to last note.

Sorry no link...the Archive(browse by year) is running very slowly

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Poster: barongsong Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I'm not much of an 85 fan but I do like and enjoy both the SPAC and Hershey Park shows. Granted Jerry's voice is at it's worst possibly at Hershey but the guitar work is exceptional and for me is more important to the overall thrill of it all.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

"I saw a lot of shows"

I guess that makes them better?

Interesting that those who attended are the folks most vociferously defending the year.

I attended those shows as well, however my recollection of them is very differnt from yours...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Cliff, you must enjoy pain if you went to all them crappy 80's shows! ;)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 15, 2010 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

of course, I'm the MORON who walked out of this shows first acoustic set because I was a Truckin-head and thought "wtf-country?" http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-05.sbd.bunjes-evans.28653.flac16

Then I didn't get on the bus till 10/10/76

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 15, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Huh?

I would have been six years old but I still would have enjoyed that acoustic set Earl!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 17, 2010 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

yeah, I know! I was also sittin on one of those big couches that was in the Fillmore, with a lady that was dressed for action...we left and headed to the hotel.

Actually, I'm not sure if it was friday or sat night, but they started with something that twanged me as sounding country. At the time, the GD only=Truckin to me. I was clueless.

MY BAD!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 15, 2010 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Other than the Richmond show I was at, I must say that the year was, on the whole, less than remarkable (I did really enjoy SPAC, but musically Richmond was much better...IMHO). And just my luck that the majority of my touring was during this time. Some occasional bright spots, but nothing really consistent until well after the coma. Come to think of it, it is possible that Jerr's coma started way before most people think.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

"Come to think of it, it is possible that Jerr's coma started way before most people think." .....interesting concept!! maybe he has yet to come out of the coma!!!! hmmmm!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 16, 2010 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

his coma began when he decided to hire Donna. The full effects of said coma just happened to be a wee bit latent.

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Mar 15, 2010 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

First person accounts always take precedence...right

Oh the Humanity...

Thats one small step for....

The Giants win the Pennant....

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Mar 14, 2010 10:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

I would also pass on the Bertha as the last verse is skipped by the band.

There is absolutely no reason to waste any time on 1985. The entire year is a mess. Either Garcia's vocals are shot or the playing is off synch and sloppy.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 14, 2010 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

ok MAYBE I will give this one a shot. The Crazy Fingers>Supplication, and the Stranger>Eyes does have me a bit curious.

thanks :)

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Poster: Ernie Bo-Peep Date: Mar 14, 2010 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

When it comes to 85, I offer you this advice...

Once you get past the bloated sound, the vocal miscues and mumbles, 1985 is pretty darn good.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-21.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.105992.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-11-22.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.105993.flac16

This post was modified by Ernie Bo-Peep on 2010-03-15 05:10:34

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Poster: spacedface Date: Mar 14, 2010 10:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: back to the future

Hey a new version. I have attendance bias for 11-22, setlist, and the 5 or so giant berimbau played during Drums.

Also, the second set here is pleasant enough if mellow, with nice versions of China Doll-> Brent Jam & Comes A Time:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-14.sbd.carman.13747.sbeok.shnf

This post was modified by spacedface on 2010-03-15 05:25:10

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